Mr CHAMPION (Wakefield) (15:57): Well, every word from the current member for Hindmarsh is precious, because he will not be here for long. He will not be long in this place—Steve Georganas is out there doorknocking as we speak, waiting to return to his rightful place in this chamber as the member for Hindmarsh. So every word we hear from the current member for Hindmarsh, however ill-informed, is precious. Mr Ruddock: I have seen many come and go. Don't get too overconfident! Mr CHAMPION: I am being warned by the Father of the House. As he says, many come and go. I am well aware of that, but I think this government of bed-wetters will see more go than most, with all due respect to the Father of the House—I wish him luck in his preselection; I have been reading about it in the paper. I hope Julian Lesser is listening to this. I am sure he is an avid listener to the goings on in this House and has been for many years, as I understand. He has had many years of waiting there in the Liberal Party branches. But I am not talking about education, which I should be. I do not really want to talk about the preselection or the election chances of those opposite. If you cut $30 billion out of education and try and foist $100,000 degrees on people, if you cut $2 billion out of skills and if you cut a billion dollars out of apprenticeships, do you know what happens? People do not like it. What we have had in education is ignorance by Mr Abbott, ignorance by the member for—what is he the member for? I cannot remember. He is staying in parliament to improve the bus routes of Manly or something, apparently. We have had ignorance from Mr Abbott followed by neglect by Mr Turnbull, who has been in power for 142 days and has come out with one policy—one policy! And we have got two of the plotters here, sitting with rather smug smiles on their faces. They are the winners out of all of this, of course. They were plotting out there in Queanbeyan or somewhere. I cannot quite remember where. Some of them were promoted—not all of them. We have replaced a prime minister, a treasurer, a defence minister, an industry minister and a communications minister—the majority of the National Security Committee of cabinet—and we have had one policy! On everything else, we have had just inaction. There is nothing going on. Mr Hawke: It must be very frustrating for you. Mr CHAMPION: The assistant minister says it must be very frustrating. It is frustrating for me but it is more frustrating for our teachers, students and apprentices. Mr Williams: Did you get rid of Gail Gago? It was a good move! Mr CHAMPION: That is the strangest interjection yet, but I will take it. I am not responsible for the goings-on in the South Australian government. I would have thought I had made that clear. Those opposite talk about government policy and the VET sector. What has happened with debt in the VET sector? It started at $699 million, it has got to $1.7 billion and it is now projected to rise to $4 billion. Bizarrely, this government— Government members interjecting— Mr CHAMPION: Well, student loans through debt. We know that there have been private providers out there treating this like it is a blank cheque for people to rack up huge debts to the Commonwealth. This is the greatest fraud on the Commonwealth in a very long time. And what are we seeing from those opposite? Inaction—because they are so obscenely interested in their own internal affairs. So rather than meeting out in Queanbeyan about VET education, rather than talking about any public policy matter out there in Queanbeyan, what they were talking about was themselves, their own arrangements. And we know now that their latest idea is to go after TAFE. So to deal with private providers they have, bizarrely, gone after the state TAFEs. It is bizarre. It is what we have come to expect from those opposite. When they were in opposition they lectured us about many things. But what we have had from them in government is ignorance under Abbott, followed by neglect under Turnbull. That is the reality. One should understand this: this government of bed wetters, of plotters, of inaction should not be trusted with public policy and should not be trusted with the treasury bench of this country.