Ms MACKLIN (Jagajaga) (14:08): My question is to the Prime Minister. Is it true that a grandparent carer with a 15-year-old in their care will be about $2½ thousand a year worse off because of the government's proposed changes to family tax benefits? Mr Nikolic interjecting— Mr Hutchinson interjecting— The SPEAKER: The member for Bass and the member for Lyons will cease interjecting.