Mr ABBOTT (Warringah—Prime Minister) (14:05): I may well ask why the Leader of the Opposition wants to saddle pensioners with $25,000 per head of government debt, because that is the budgetary disaster—the debt and deficit disaster—that this government inherited. Ms Macklin interjecting— The SPEAKER: The member for Jagajaga is warned. Mr ABBOTT: Under Labor, debt and deficit was ratcheting up to $25,000 per Australian man, woman and child. Ms Plibersek interjecting— The SPEAKER: The member for Sydney will desist. Mr ABBOTT: Every pensioner in this country would have $25,000 in government debt around his or her neck thanks to the policies of members opposite. We were elected to fix this problem. Ms Plibersek: You promised no cuts! The SPEAKER: The member for Sydney will desist! Mr ABBOTT: Pensions will continue to increase every six months and every year. They will, however, go up by CPI—the same indexation factor that members opposite think is fair and reasonable for the family tax benefit. Pensions will continue to increase under this government but, unlike under the policies of those opposite, they will increase in a sustainable way. The seniors of Australia understand, because they have had long lives dealing with budgets, that—like businesses, hospitals, households and governments—governments too have to live within their means. The members opposite did not understand this. Ms O'Neil interjecting— The SPEAKER: The member for Hotham. Mr ABBOTT: This government does, and we will deliver.