Senator AYRES (New South Wales—Minister for Industry and Innovation and Minister for Science) (14:40): I'll start at the end of that question, and then I'll try to deal with some of the substance of it. Energy insecurity in Australia is a consequence of what happened over the Morrison-Abbott-Turnbull catastrophe where four out of our six oil refineries closed. Despite what Mr Hastie says, when he turns to you for work, these things are not straightforward to rebuild. Four out of six closed, so, if you want to ask questions about energy insecurity, ask them how it is that they sat on their hands for so long. The PRESIDENT: Senator Roberts? Senator Roberts: Point of order: I'm not asking the opposition; I'm asking the minister, and I want an answer. The PRESIDENT: I will direct the minister to your question. Minister Ayres? Senator AYRES: While I'm on the subject of the opposition and the current fuel security arrangements—we have larger reserves on hand today than there have been at any time over the last 15 years as a result of the action, not words, that this government has taken. When Mr Taylor was in charge of energy, sort of—it was unclear, as I think Mr Morrison was secretly also the minister at the same time—he was the worst energy minister in Australian history and did more to debauch and pull down our energy policy framework. His proposition was that Australia's fuel reserves should be contained in Texas. (Time expired) The PRESIDENT: Senator Roberts, first supplementary?