Senator AYRES (New South Wales—Minister for Industry and Innovation and Minister for Science) (14:04): My message is that, on electricity prices, there are two scenarios moving forward from here. One is a rollout of an electricity modernisation program with the lowest possible cost. Senator Paterson: How's that working out? Senator AYRES: You see, Senator Paterson, there's this thing called 'hard work', which you may not understand. There's this thing called 'national effort', which you may not understand. There are these sets of principles around national interest that obviously always escape you. This is a job that we have to do to recover the wreckage that was left after a decade of policy inertia. That's the truth. We have work to do to recover the wreckage that you and your colleagues left. It damaged Australia's capacity, it damaged ordinary Australians and it damaged heavy industry. The PRESIDENT: Senator Paterson, second supplementary?