Senator AYRES (New South Wales—Minister for Industry and Innovation and Minister for Science) (14:47): You're right to say, Senator Payman, that this government, unlike previous governments, does have a commitment to policy certainty and to working with our partners at the state and territory level and with the development community—in generation in particular—to deliver more generation capacity, including in Western Australia. That means a commitment to renewable generation capacity, wind developments—I don't want to trigger some of those opposite—and solar developments, which I visit regularly. You see them in regional Australia. What you see when you see these projects is giant solar projects providing jobs— Senator McKenzie interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Senator McKenzie, I could hear you over and above the minister. As I said to you earlier today, if you can't sit quietly and not interject and not be disrespectful, please leave the chamber. Senator Payman: On a point of order, it's been a whole 59 seconds, and the minister hasn't mentioned Western Australia. This is really just a genuine question of wanting to know what's happening, so can you please redirect the minister. The PRESIDENT: Thank you, Senator Payman. The minister is being directly relevant to your question. You started off by indicating the amount of money that the federal government had committed, and the minister is being directly relevant. Senator AYRES: As I was outlining, that policy certainty and that ambition is important. It means development of electricity projects to modernise our electricity system and renewables backed by gas and backed by storage, including in Western Australia. That is vital for new industry. It is vital for blue-collar jobs, including in Western Australia, where there's shared ambition of the Albanese government and the Cook government to make sure that we're driving production in iron production onshore and in critical minerals production onshore. It means that people should, when they're opposing the wind projects, count the cost of getting in the way of these projects in blue-collar jobs, because that's what they are doing. Now, this funding you've alluded to is, as I understand it—and I'll check the details—allocated and worked through by the Clean Energy Finance Corporation, and they will be evaluating projects and delivering them consistent with their mandate. (Time expired) The PRESIDENT: Senator Payman, first supplementary?