Senator THORPE (Victoria) (14:42): This question is for the Minister for Indigenous Australians, Minister McCarthy. Minister, I understand that approximately 90 applicants for the latest round of justice reinvestment grants were recently informed that their applications would not even be considered. This decision reeks of disregard for those fighting to make meaningful change on the ground. Can you confirm the total number of applicants that were sent this letter and how many were from organisations that were First Nations controlled and operated? Senator Wong: I understand that that program is, in fact, administered in the Attorney-General's portfolio. I'm happy for you to either redirect the question or address it to the minister representing the Attorney-General. I'm not trying to be difficult. I think it's a program that's not covered by Senator McCarthy's portfolio but is— Senator Bilyk interjecting— Senator Thorpe: Shut your mouth! The PRESIDENT: Senator Thorpe, come to order. Senator Thorpe! Senator Thorpe: You need to open your eyes, President. The PRESIDENT: Senator Thorpe! Withdraw that comment. Senator Thorpe: How come you tell me off— The PRESIDENT: Senator Thorpe, withdraw the comment. Senator Thorpe: They are having a go at me. You don't hear them, do you? The PRESIDENT: Senator Thorpe, you are not in a debate with me. You either withdraw the comment you just made— Senator Thorpe: I withdraw. The PRESIDENT: No, you need to stand and withdraw. Senator THORPE: I withdraw. The PRESIDENT: Thank you. Senator Polley, I'm not quite sure what you said— Senator Thorpe: No, it was her in the purple dress. The PRESIDENT: Senator Thorpe, if you can't come to order then I will rule that you not be heard. I am trying to work out what happened. I do not need your interjections. If there was a disorderly comment—I thought it was Senator Polley, but my apologies if it wasn't—I am inviting whoever it was to withdraw in the interests of the chamber. Senator Bilyk: I withdraw. The PRESIDENT: Thank you, Senator Bilyk. Minister Watt.