Senator McCARTHY (Northern Territory—Assistant Minister for Indigenous Australians and Assistant Minister for Indigenous Health) (14:25): Let me be very clear to the Senate: there is certainly no gaslighting going on in terms of this discussion, and there's certainly great sincerity by the Prime Minister and this government in terms of our relationships with First Nations people. Senator Cox interjecting— Senator McCARTHY: There is none of that going on, Senator Cox. If anything, we knew, from listening to the people at Garma, that we had to keep going in this space. What was disappointing, President, was that, while we were there, the opposition leader chose to use that time to say no to makarrata, instead of appearing at Garma, where he had been invited. He said no to the Voice. We learnt from that experience that, unless there is bipartisan support, that hurt— Senator Cash interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Order! Senator Cash, I am calling you to order. Senator McCARTHY: We learnt that, unless there is bipartisan support, it's very difficult to pursue. (Time expired) The PRESIDENT: Senator Cox, second supplementary?