Senator GROGAN (South Australia) (15:19): Once upon a time—a very, very long time ago—when the National Party was probably just a twinkle in the eye, a grand new development came along, an exciting development that terrified much of the world. And that great development was the automobile. At the time, people were concerned and alarmed: 'How on earth could I possibly get my harvest to the market in that thing? It just won't work! The petrol won't take it far enough. The roads are all made of dirt. Oh my goodness! We can't do this. This is going to ruin how we live our lives. The world will end. What about the horses? Who's going to protect the horses?' Come on. Why don't we just get over this and realise that this is about technological development? This is about the future. This is about looking towards how things are changing. We've got a situation where we are one of the last countries in the world without meaningful standards in this arena. What does that mean? It means that the dirtier cars in the world are being dumped on our doorstep. That is what we are being left with, because we are behind. We have fallen far behind. Look at the United States. They have had vehicle standards for 50 years, and we are standing here, listening to the Liberal Party and the National Party talk about how this is going to end something. That's their favourite line, whether we're ending the weekend or we're ending the future of gas guzzlers, which obviously are their favourite option here. This is about more choice. This is about driving towards a cheaper way of driving your car, but it is an option. Senator McKenzie: If you can afford the ticket price! Senator GROGAN: Senator McKenzie is interjecting there. I look forward to having this conversation with you in five or 10 years time, Senator McKenzie, and you can admit how wrong you might be. Here we stand with a great opportunity in front of us—an opportunity that is supported by many of the car makers. Just today, just a couple of hours ago, we saw Toyota launching a new fully electric SUV—fully electric! Senator McKenzie: That's good! How much is it? Senator GROGAN: Yes, Toyota, Senator McKenzie. And that SUV, the bZ4X, is going to make a difference. This is another manufacturer getting on board, understanding what the future looks like. More choices for people—that is what we are about. If you want a petrol SUV, Senator McKenzie, you can still go and buy one. Senator McKenzie: Point of order: the senator continually reflects that I am somehow anti-EV, which I am not and have never been. The DEPUTY PRESIDENT: It's not an adverse reflection, and you know it's not a point of order. But I would say, Senator Grogan, direct your comments through me, rather than directly to Senator McKenzie. That would have been a better point of order, Senator McKenzie. Senator GROGAN: I would say, Deputy President, that my reactions were just responding to the interjections that I'm hearing, and no offence was meant. The DEPUTY PRESIDENT: Please don't respond to the interjections. Senator GROGAN: It's so tempting, though, right? In summary, we don't want to be the dumping ground for inefficient cars in this country. We have a vision for the future, and we have a vision which leaves people with more choices. We are taking these standards forward—in a proper consultation, can I add, where we have had great engagement with a number of vehicle manufacturers who are keen, very supportive and right behind exactly what it is that we are trying to achieve here. I think it just leaves those opposite to get on board and stop the scaremongering. The automobile, when it was introduced, did not bring an end to the horse. The automobile, when it was introduced, developed many, many times, over and over again, and that is exactly what it is doing again here now. We are looking to the future, and we will have cleaner vehicles, more choices for motorists and a better future for Australians.