Senator DAVID POCOCK (Australian Capital Territory) (10:00): I agree with Senator Cash that we should be keeping Australians safe. We've heard Senator Birmingham say that as well. That should be a primary focus for us in this chamber. But the way we do that matters and the way we talk about it matters. Here we are, after agreeing to a program yesterday, now having a debate on the proposed suspension. Yes, this is incredibly important. What we've seen happen in these two cases shouldn't have happened, and we have an obligation to deal with this. But where's the suspension of standing orders for the 60 Australian women and children that have been murdered this year? We talk about keeping Australians safe. Where's the urgency around that? Yes, the new government has done work on coercive control, with the new plan to end violence against women and children, and I give them credit for that. Senator Reynolds: You're the one who got the cashless debit card out. The PRESIDENT: Order! Senator DAVID POCOCK: But if we're serious— Senator Reynolds interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Just a moment. Senator Pocock, please resume your seat. Senator Reynolds, again, I've called your name a number of times today. When I call 'Order!' in the chamber, it does apply to you. I should not have to name you. Senator Pocock has the right to be heard in silence. Senator DAVID POCOCK: I wasn't sure why talking about taking violence against women seriously should elicit interjections like that. (Time expired) The PRESIDENT: The question is that the suspension motion as moved by Senator Birmingham be agreed to.