Senator WATT (Queensland—Minister for Agriculture, Fisheries and Forestry and Minister for Emergency Management) (14:39): Again, Senator Chandler, you can't just make up evidence by coming and making assertions. The implications— Opposition senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Minister Watt, please resume your seat. I will come to you, Senator Birmingham, but I am asking senators, particularly on my left, to stop the very loud interjections. Senator Birmingham? Senator Birmingham: On a point of order, the minister just accused Senator Chandler of 'making up evidence'. Senator Chandler's question is referring directly to evidence to a Senate committee. The PRESIDENT: Senator Birmingham, that isn't a point— Senator Wong interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Senator Wong, please resume your seat. Senator Birmingham, that is a debating point. It's not a point of order. Please resume your seat. Senator Birmingham interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Senator Birmingham, I will certainly take advice, but I don't think that fits the gamut of points of order. As I said, that is a debating point, which of course senators are free to explore during the debate to take note of answers. Senator WATT: As I say, this entire campaign has been based on a complete lack of evidence. The minister has already said publicly that she speaks to the CEOs of major airlines regularly and that she knew exactly what their opinions were on the Qatar decision. She has said that she spoke to the Qantas CEO, just as she spoke to the Virgin CEO, and that she certainly knew their positions before those consultations. I'm afraid that you don't get to make a case by simply asking questions that don't have a factual basis in this desperate search for evidence to back up the assertions that you've been making for the last three months. The PRESIDENT: Senator Chandler, your second supplementary?