Senator FARRELL (South Australia—Minister for Trade and Tourism, Special Minister of State and Deputy Leader of the Government in the Senate) (14:19): The point I was trying to make before was that, obviously, the opposition thinks there's some political advantage in running a scare campaign— The PRESIDENT: Minister Farrell, please resume your seat. Senator Ruston. Senator Ruston: On a point of order: the minister has clearly used the entire time not to answer the question— The PRESIDENT: Senator Ruston, if you're calling for a point of order on relevance— Senator Ruston: Could you direct him to answer the question— The PRESIDENT: Senator Ruston! If you're calling a point of order on relevance, then it is on the question before the chair. That is the second supplementary and the minister has got to his feet. I will listen closely and, if he's not relevant, I'll remind him of the question. Minister. Senator FARRELL: With due respect, to Senator Ruston: just because you don't like the way I answer the question doesn't mean that what I'm saying is not relevant to the question. On this very point, the point I'm trying to make is a simple one. There's no point in trying to scare farmers or other small-business people with a scare campaign that bears no relevance to the facts. It bears no relevance to the facts! The PRESIDENT: Minister Farrell, thank you. Senator Birmingham. Senator Birmingham: A point of order on direct relevance, again, President. This minister is seeking to speak constantly in generalisations when a specific question has been asked. If he's worried about putting people's minds at ease, perhaps he should be able to answer the specific questions to put their minds at ease. The PRESIDENT: Thank you, Senator Birmingham. Minister Farrell, I will remind you of the question and the need to be relevant. Senator FARRELL: Just on the question of double taxation: of course, one of the things to note about this new change is that it doesn't come into effect for a couple of years and that there's plenty of time to consult— The PRESIDENT: Thank you, Minister. The time for answering the question has expired.