Senator FARRELL (South Australia—Minister for Trade and Tourism, Special Minister of State and Deputy Leader of the Government in the Senate) (14:34): Thank you again, Senator Pocock, for your question and for your concern in this space. I'd make this observation: it's not customary for ministers, particularly ministers like myself, to reveal what may or may not be in the budget. That's for the Treasurer to deal with, and he will deal that in due course. We don't have very long to wait to find out what will be in what will be the first Albanese budget. However, I can say this: five million people— (Time expired) The PRESIDENT: Senator Pocock, a second supplementary?