Senator CHISHOLM (Queensland—Assistant Minister for Education, Assistant Minister for Regional Development and Deputy Manager of Government Business in the Senate) (16:27): I seek leave to make a short statement. The PRESIDENT: Leave is granted for one minute. Senator CHISHOLM: It is not appropriate for AFCA to appear at budget estimates. AFCA is not a government department or regulatory agency. It is a not-for-profit public company and it is not publicly funded. AFCA have made themselves available to parliament for oversight and transparency through various committees. Senator Bragg had the opportunity to ask questions of AFCA when they appeared before the Senate Economics Legislation Committee as recently as 14 October. The government does not support a precedent where the Senate as a whole negotiate witness lists for respective committee hearings. That should remain a role for individual committees to establish. This is a political stunt, as we often see from Senator Bragg, and we will not support this motion. Question agreed to.