Senator FARRELL (South Australia—Minister for Trade and Tourism, Special Minister of State and Deputy Leader of the Government in the Senate) (14:30): Unfortunately, Senator Urquhart, I can. Under the Liberal government, fraud and criminal activity became a significant contributor to waste in the National Disability Insurance Scheme. Under the watch of those opposite, and I'm pointing at this mob over here— Senator Urquhart: Yes, over there. Senator FARRELL: Yes, that's them. There is evidence that the scheme has been targeted by serious organised crime. Currently, there are $213.9 million of NDIS funding being investigated for fraud. The Albanese Labor government has zero tolerance for fraud and is committed to stopping the waste of NDIS participant funding that should be used to give individuals choice over their lives. Earlier this year, the CEO of the Australian Criminal Intelligence Commission, Michael Phelan, noted that 15 to 20 per cent of the scheme's funding could be— The PRESIDENT: Thank you, Senator Farrell, your time has expired. Senator Urquhart, a second supplementary?