Senator FARRELL (South Australia—Minister for Trade and Tourism, Special Minister of State and Deputy Leader of the Government in the Senate) (14:23): I have met— Senator Shoebridge: No, the Prime Minister. The PRESIDENT: Senator Shoebridge, you are disorderly. If you have a point of order, stand and make it. You don't just stand up and shout out. Senator Whish-Wilson: I'll tell you what's disorderly: it's no action. The PRESIDENT: Thank you, Senator Whish-Wilson. Minister. Senator FARRELL: The Prime Minister can speak for himself on this issue, but I have met Mr Shipton. I met him a couple of years ago. Senator Shoebridge: No. You're here representing him. The PRESIDENT: Senator Shoebridge, please resume your seat. You don't half-stand and then start shouting out a point of order. In this chamber you stand and you wait for the call. If you would like to stand, I will call your name and then, if you have a point of order, please make it. Senator Shoebridge. Senator Shoebridge: Point of order, President. The minister is here in his capacity representing the Prime Minister. That was what was put to the minister, and he was not being relevant in his answer. The PRESIDENT: Thank you, Senator Shoebridge. I believe the minister is being relevant. I will continue to listen carefully, and, if he is not relevant, I will point that out to him. Minister. Senator FARRELL: I have met Mr Shipton. It was a very moving meeting, and I personally can't think what it would be like to have one of my children incarcerated like Mr Assange has been incarcerated. As I've said before, we don't control the legal systems of other countries. We're offering all the support that we can for Mr Shipton's son under the consular arrangements, and the Prime Minister has said he wants an end to these proceedings. I don't think he can be clearer than— (Time expired) The PRESIDENT: Senator Shoebridge, a second supplementary question?