Senator CASH (Western Australia—Attorney-General, Minister for Industrial Relations and Deputy Leader of the Government in the Senate) (14:42): Again, Senator McKim, the government, as you would know, recognises the importance of family reunion for refugees and humanitarian entrants. You would also know that our humanitarian program reunites refugees and people who are in refugee-like situations overseas with their family in Australia. The PRESIDENT: Senator McKim, a point of order? Senator McKim: Once again, on relevance. The question was not about refugees or humanitarian visas, it was about people who are partners of Australian citizens and permanent residents who had applied for partner visas. That is not about refugees or humanitarian entrants. I ask you to draw the minister to the question. The PRESIDENT: Senator McKim, I will allow you to draw the minister to the question. I have been listening and I do not yet believe that I can say the minister is not directly relevant. I give the minister the call— Senator Wong: Mr President, I— The PRESIDENT: Senator Wong, I'm ruling— Senator Wong: Mr President, I'm sorry, I'm asking you to rule. Are you ruling that there's no point of order? The PRESIDENT: I'm ruling that there is no point of order. I'm listening carefully to the answer— Senator Wong: [inaudible] on the point of order before you rule formally. If you haven't, I'll just put it to you that Senator McKim is asking about a completely different class of visa to the class that the minister is speaking about. It is not relevant and I make that submission to you, consistent with our previous submissions over the last few days about your role in calling the minister to the question. The PRESIDENT: Senator Wong, the minister has only had part of the time to answer the question. I do not believe I have enough information yet to assess whether the minister is being directly relevant. I have allowed Senator McKim to call the minister back to the question and I'm listening carefully. Attorney General, you have the call. Senator CASH: Senator McKim, if I can get any further information for you, I will. You clearly do not want any information in relation to what the Australian government is doing for Afghan locally engaged employees et cetera more generally, but, to the extent that I can get further information from the minister, I'll do that.