Senator COLBECK (Tasmania—Minister for Sport and Minister for Senior Australians and Aged Care Services) (14:05): The national plan, based on modelling done by the Doherty institute, is not just about opening the economy at 70 per cent or at 80 per cent. It is about a careful, safe opening of the economy so that we can ensure that the hospital system doesn't get overwhelmed. That's the— Senator Keneally interjecting— Senator COLBECK: Well, if the AMA want to be modellers, then they should go and be modellers. We worked with the Doherty institute to do some modelling, the basis of which was supporting the health system and the— The PRESIDENT: Order. Senator Watt, on a point of order? Senator Watt: Again, on relevance: this is a really important question about whether the government can guarantee that our hospitals will cope. That's the question. The PRESIDENT: Senator Watt, there was an extensive quotation again, and by describing the national plan the minister is actually being directly relevant to the question. Senator Colbeck. Senator COLBECK: Senator Watt's ears must be painted on! I directly addressed the question when I said the Doherty modelling is based on safely and progressively opening the economy to ensure there isn't undue pressure on the hospital system. That's the point of the process. I will go to the AMA for health advice. I will go to Doherty for modelling advice.