Senator REYNOLDS (Western Australia—Minister for the National Disability Insurance Scheme and Minister for Government Services) (14:49): Again, I utterly reject the premise of the question. It is completely and utterly false. As I said in my primary answer, we are doing everything we can for impacted families with children in child care, for the childcare centres themselves and for the workers. The PRESIDENT: Order, Senator Reynolds. I have Senator Wong on a point of order. Senator Wong: It's a point of order on direct relevance. The last supplementary actually went to responsibility for the decision to pursue families in Sydney for debts related to the childcare subsidy. The PRESIDENT: Unless I misheard, I did hear the minister disagree with that assertion. I will listen carefully, but I take at face value what I hear, and I think that answer is directly relevant. Senator REYNOLDS: As I have said, I utterly reject the premise of the question. If there are any families receiving benefits who are doing it tough, they can always contact my agency, Services Australia, to seek relief and support. There are many measures available for families in that circumstance, and, as I said in response to the primary question, we are doing absolutely everything we can to help families, to help workers and to help businesses, in conjunction with the New South Wales government.