Senator REYNOLDS (Western Australia—Minister for the National Disability Insurance Scheme and Minister for Government Services) (14:54): I thank Senator Urquhart for another opportunity to talk about the wonderful record this government has and how we understand the aspirations and the desire for Australian parents— The PRESIDENT: Order, Senator Reynolds. Senator Wong, on a point of order? Senator Wong: It's on direct relevance. The minister's clumsiness is demonstrating what she's doing. She saying, 'I'm going to ignore that question; it gives me an opportunity to talk about our policy.' The PRESIDENT: I make the point again that, unlike the other place, I don't call ministers to order from the chair myself; I wait for a point of order to be raised. This question was about reports about a claimed statement, and then it was asked how many male members of the coalition supported that statement. It was the use of a reported phrase that is pejorative in nature. I'm going to give the minister some latitude. However, I will say that I do not think this is as broad as the previous question and allow the opportunity to provide an explanation of policy that was reported to be presented to the party room. I call the minister to continue. Senator REYNOLDS: Again, I reiterate my thanks to Senator Urquhart for this question. It's something which is at the heart and passion of both parties in the coalition. As we saw demonstrated in the party room yesterday, we did have a robust debate on an important policy issue to Australian families, and that is what Australians expect. That is what marks the difference between this side and that side of the chamber. Let me tell you what we did discuss in relation to the legislation that is coming before the parliament. This is to provide an additional $1.7 billion to further help Australian families with more than one child aged five and under, the years that are the toughest for both parents to stay in the workforce. We discussed that, by increasing the subsidy for families with a second or third child aged five and under— (Time expired) The PRESIDENT: Senator Urquhart, a final supplementary question?