Ms GILLARD (Lalor—Prime Minister) (14:15): To the Leader of the Opposition: already so clearly in this question time we have seen the divide in Australian politics between this government that is building and investing for the future and this opposition that is trading in fear—trying to trade in fear and make people worry about the economy, when they know that there is no cause to do so and the rating agencies have spoken. Then, with a question like this, it is trying to raise fear in the community when it knows, and the Leader of the Opposition knows, from answers that have been given in this parliament earlier this week that the person he refers to has always been held in detention. The Leader of the Opposition is out there trying to create fear and people might want to ask themselves why? Why would he be creating fear? Not because he has any answers, that is for sure. The Leader of the Opposition used to walk around saying: 'Stop the boats.' Mr Simpkins interjecting— The SPEAKER: Order! The honourable member for Cowan will leave the chamber under standing order 94(a). He cannot continue this behaviour. The member for Cowan then left the chamber. Ms GILLARD: Now, of course, they have back-pedalled and back-pedalled. They might hope to make some difference in a few years time, if that is possible. Then the Deputy Leader of the Opposition is out there, effectively claiming that they have got an arrangement with Indonesia. Then she had to back-pedal, back-pedal and back-pedal. Then she was shamed into trying to stutter out the truth by The Guardiannewspaper— Mr Dutton interjecting— The SPEAKER: Order! The Prime Minister will return to the question. Ms GILLARD: So all of this fear— Mr Dutton: That is what Laurie is talking about! The SPEAKER: Order! The member for Dickson is warned! Ms GILLARD: raised by an opposition, which, if it were clear and if it were truthful would say that its policies amount to nothing. Mr Abbott: Madam Speaker, I rise on a point of order. You have, quite commendably, asked the Prime Minister to return to the question. I regret to say that she is defying the Speaker's injunction. The SPEAKER: The Prime Minister has the call and will refer to the question before the chair. Ms GILLARD: I am answering a question very broadly worded about safety and, in answering that very broadly worded question, let me give this answer. What this government will do is continue to be clear with people about the facts and the policy choices. We will listen to expert advice. Mrs Mirabella interjecting— Ms GILLARD: The member for Indi might think that advice provided by the former Chief of the Defence Force is worth laughing at. We treat people who have served our Defence Force at the highest level with respect. We treat people with the foreign policy expertise of Michael L'Estrange with respect. We treat a man, like Paris Aristotle, who has devoted his life to working with refugees with respect. We of course are out there implementing the policies that have been recommended by those experts while, on the one hand, the opposition come into this parliament and try to raise fear and then, on the other hand, whenever they are called to do so come into this parliament and put up their hands for more votes, which is what the Leader of the Opposition has done time after time in denying the force and effect of the expert panel.