Senator CORMANN (Western Australia—Leader of the Government in the Senate, Minister for Finance and Vice-President of the Executive Council) (14:08): We have seen widely-reported examples of hardship— Honourable senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Order! Senator CORMANN: for residents in rural and regional border communities. Such impacts should, of course, be minimised whenever possible. Senator Keneally interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Senator Keneally! Senator CORMANN: Decisions on border restrictions must be informed by public health advice. As I said last week, ultimately, these are matters for the states and territories, but it is up to them to set out the medical advice informing their decisions— Senator Watt interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Senator Watt! Senator CORMANN: and to ensure there is a genuine public health upside in return for the restrictions and costs imposed on individual Australians and on our communities. There is no script and no rule book on how best to deal with this pandemic, but it is critical that decisions are made on the basis of advice— Opposition senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Order on my left! Senator Bilyk, on a point of order? Senator Bilyk: I really, sincerely, cannot hear what the minister is saying—even though I might not want to hear it and might not like it—with the interjections from that side. Honourable senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Order! That's a charming episode of finger-pointing there across the chamber from both sides, I might say. There is a lot of noise coming from the chamber. I was attempting to not interrupt the speaker and call order. Please show your colleagues some courtesy. Senator CORMANN: The national cabinet has asked the AHPPC to develop a consistent approach to hotspot management and to ensure that the needs of border residents are properly catered for. As the Prime Minister said on Friday, there will be a definition of 'hotspot'. Hopefully, it's a definition agreed to by the states and territories. Alternatively, there will be a Commonwealth definition based on science and evidence. The PRESIDENT: Order, Senator Cormann. Senator McKenzie, a final supplementary question?