Senator SCARR (Queensland) (15:22): There is one thing which the Leader of the Opposition in the Senate said in her contribution in this debate which I agree with, and that is that the argument should be based on evidence and the facts. The Leader of the Opposition in the Senate refers to the 'gotcha question'. What is the gotcha question? The question is: what will your policy cost? That's the gotcha question. It's not an unreasonable question. That's the question you could not answer for people in my home state of Queensland. That is the question you could not answer for workers at the Boyne Island smelter. That is the question you couldn't answer for people working in the beef industry in western Queensland. That is your gotcha question, Leader of the Opposition in the Senate. How much will it cost? How will you achieve it? What does it mean for the voters of Queensland? What will it do to electricity prices? These are your gotcha questions. You still can't answer them. All you have done is kick the can 20 years down the road, from 2030 to 2050, when none of us will be in this place, when no-one here will be accountable for the decisions and policy direction you have taken. You call these gotcha questions. These aren't gotcha questions; these are questions which working families in Queensland have a right to have answers to. They have a right to know what it means for their communities, what it means for their jobs and what it means for the people of Queensland. They have a right to answers to those questions. In the last federal election, the Labor Party achieved its worst result in my home state of Queensland since the 1940s. They returned one senator out of six. Senator Wong: We know that! Senator SCARR: You may well know it, but I query whether or not you remember it, because you've just rolled out exactly the same policy but even worse, without a road map. You talk about evidence and facts, yet there's no evidence and facts supporting your policy to move to net zero emissions by 2050. Let me give you one example. Even New Zealand proposes to largely exempt the agricultural sector from the net-zero-emissions goal which the New Zealand government legislated. Even New Zealand agreed to do that. But, when we saw the Leader of the Opposition in another train wreck of an interview on Insiders yesterday, he said: 'No. It applies to agriculture. It applies to transport. It applies across the board.' His answer on transport, I think, just showed how disconnected he is from everyday people in Queensland. He said, 'Well, they can catch public transport.' If you're operating a beef cattle station in Western Queensland, you can't just catch public transport. I'm sorry. It's not the inner city suburbs of Sydney, Melbourne or Adelaide. People in regional Queensland have a right to an answer to responsible questions, and one of those questions is: what is your policy going to cost, and what will it mean to those regional communities in my home state of Queensland which rely upon export-exposed industries? Anthony Albanese, in his interview on Insiders, also said: 'Well, yeah, Australia will keep exporting thermal coal in 2050, probably. Absolutely. Why not?' With that export of thermal coal will go the jobs, just as we've seen BlueScope Steel set up a steel mill in Ohio because electricity prices here in Australia are too high, and just as we've seen Incitec Pivot set up an ammonium nitrate plant in Louisiana because electricity prices here are too high, and just as we've seen the owners of Boyne Island smelter in my home state of Queensland, Tomago aluminium smelter in New South Wales and Portland smelter in Victoria say electricity prices in this country are too high now. It is nonsense. Our policy is clear. We will achieve the treaty obligations which we entered into in Paris. We will achieve those obligations. Sometimes I wonder if those opposite this side of the chamber are actually standing up and fighting for the people of Australia or whether they're representing other people. They're certainly not representing the people of my home state of Queensland. The DEPUTY PRESIDENT: Senator Wong? Senator Wong: I paused hoping the Leader of the Government in the Senate would show some honour, but I don't know what the senator was just implying about me or anybody else on this side. But perhaps he could clarify. The DEPUTY PRESIDENT: It's not a point of order, Senator Wong. It is a debating point. I believe Senator Scarr sat down. Have you finished your contribution? Okay, Senator Scarr has finished.