Senator RUSTON (South Australia—Minister for Families and Social Services and Manager of Government Business in the Senate) (14:46): I'm sorry that you are trivialising this really important issue, like your other colleague, because I can absolutely— The PRESIDENT: Order! Senator Wong on a point of order? Senator Wong: I ask the minister to withdraw that. Senator Patrick Dodson is not trivialising this issue. The PRESIDENT: I'm going to leave that in the hands of Senator Ruston. It wasn't unparliamentary. I don't consider it to be a reflection given the jousting that has been happening and the interjections across the chamber. I'll leave it in the hands of the senator. I allowed you to make the point, Senator Wong, but I might say that some of the interjections have been particularly robust this question time. Senator Ruston. Senator RUSTON: I thank Senator Dodson for his question because I can absolutely assure this chamber that getting people from welfare into a job is something that this government takes very, very seriously. It's the creation of those jobs that's important. But can I just say: Australia's comprehensive welfare system recognises that there are times when Australians are down on their luck. And we need to make sure that we have a safety net, not just for this generation but for future generations, to make sure that we're here to help them in their time of need, and not just when they find themselves in tough times but to make sure that the safety net is in place for as long as they need it, but it has to be sustainable. And we will continue to work on all of the components and all of the elements that are essential for a stronger Australia.