Senator REYNOLDS (Western Australia—Minister for Defence Industry and Minister for Emergency Management and North Queensland Recovery) (14:04): I thank the senator for the supplementary question. I've got to say, of all of the questions I could have been asked on this portfolio as now a very proud Minister for Defence Industry, it is a shame, but I'm not surprised, that you did not ask my first question on the jobs and the wages of those in the defence industry. Again, I stand by what I said— The PRESIDENT: Senator Reynolds, please resume your seat. Senator Wong on a point of order? Senator Wong: I think the minister finally got to the question, which was about her comments about the living wage in response to Senator Cormann's comments. As I understand, she was addressing the question as I got to my feet. The PRESIDENT: She was 21 seconds in. Senator Macdonald on the point of order? Senator Ian Macdonald: Senator Wong had the advantage of hearing Senator Reynolds. I'm finding it very difficult because the bully boys from the union, like Senator Cameron, are constantly shouting at a female minister and I cannot hear her. The PRESIDENT: Senator Wong on the point of order? Senator Wong: On the point of order, this senator is one of the last people in this place, ever, who should be talking about bullying. I refer to Senator Macdonald, the second— Senator Ian Macdonald interjecting— Senator Wong: Are you finished yelling? Because I'm on my feet and I have a point of order to make. Thank you. This minister is being asked questions about, frankly, a ridiculous statement she made about a government minister and we are entitled to ask that question of this minister. That is why she has been asked. The PRESIDENT: Order! Senator Wong, that's not a point of order. Senator Wong, please resume your seat. Senator Macdonald, on the point of order, there is no point of order, as Senator Wong admitted at the end of her first point of order. Senator Reynolds was turning to the question. On the issue of noise, it's disappointing that after this period of time people get into it this quickly. It is very difficult to hear Senator Reynolds, although she is blessed with a very strong voice. I would ask that senators allow both the questioner and the person answering the question to be heard in relative silence. Senator Reynolds to continue. Senator REYNOLDS: Thank you very much, Mr President. As I was saying, those on the other side really don't understand what lifts wages, and that is jobs. This government has, for the last six years, been working towards and has created over 1.25 million jobs. The only way to lift wages is a stronger economy built on more jobs and lower taxes, which is what those on this side have done diligently for six years. The benefits of that will be very clear tonight not only on over 1 million jobs but also on the wages of those Australians employed. The PRESIDENT: Senator O'Neill, a final supplementary question.