Senator CORMANN (Western Australia—Minister for Finance and the Public Service, Vice-President of the Executive Council and Leader of the Government in the Senate) (14:03): They're both correct and they're both entitled to their opinion. We know that Senator Carr, who has a background of liking socialist, dictatorial, authoritarian systems, might want to be in charge of a system with thought police, where everybody is prevented from expressing a view. On our side of parliament, it's self-evident that, after an election in a state like the great state of Victoria on the weekend, there'll be a conversation inside our party. It's a conversation where people are entitled to express their view. The conversation that takes place will help us to be an even stronger and better government than we otherwise would be. The Australian people very much need us to win the next election because Mr Shorten, as Prime Minister, would make Australia weaker and Australians poorer. The PRESIDENT: Senator Carr, a final supplementary question?