Senator McKENZIE (Victoria—Minister for Rural Health, Minister for Sport, Minister for Regional Communications and Deputy Leader of The Nationals) (14:52): We have a strong policy of decreasing the costs to Australian families, singles and pensioners when it comes to accessing high-quality health care across this country. It is why we've instigated the MBS review scheme, which is looking at out-of-pocket costs across a range— The PRESIDENT: Order, Senator McKenzie! Senator Polley, on a point of order? Senator Polley: Mr President, it's a matter of relevance. I asked a very simple question about Peter Dutton supporting the $7 co-payment for GPs. She's failed to address any of the questions that I've put thus far. The PRESIDENT: Senator Polley, you've reminded the minister of your supplementary question. I note two things. The minister has 40 seconds remaining to answer but, listening carefully, I did consider the minister to be directly relevant to the issue you raised. I can't instruct the minister how to answer a question, as long as the answer is directly relevant. Senator McKENZIE: I'm really happy to go to the Labor Party's policy to drive up out-of-pocket costs any time when it comes to health provision in this country. The PRESIDENT: Senator Wong on a point of order? Senator Wong: Direct relevance. The question was whether or not the Minister for Health supports a return to Mr Dutton's policies, including the $7 GP co-payment. I don't know what the Labor Party's policy has to do— Senator McKENZIE: I'm outlining our policy. Senator Wong: No, I won't debate across the chamber, but I'll take the interjection. Government senators interjecting— Senator Wong: I'll take the interjection. The PRESIDENT: On my right! Can we not take interjections on points of order. Government senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Order on my right! Senator Wong: The minister chose to interject, and I'll take the interjection and make the point that I don't think the Labor Party's policy has anything to do with Mr Dutton's GP tax. The PRESIDENT: On the previous point of order, I considered the minister to be directly relevant. I ask the minister to return to the question. Senator McKENZIE: I'm sorry. I got so excited about outlining our health policy. I'm happy to say we are not returning to a co-payment in this government. We are driving down costs for Australians' health provision across the board. As I go to the Labor Party's policy and how that will impact out-of-pocket costs, your policy on private health insurance will drive up costs for Australians by 16 per cent. The PRESIDENT: Senator Polley, a final supplementary question? Opposition senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Senators on my left! Senator Polley is on her feet.