Senator FIERRAVANTI-WELLS (New South Wales—Minister for International Development and the Pacific) (14:49): As I have said to Senator Moore, and as I repeat in this chamber, Australia's overseas development budget is almost $4 billion. Ninety per cent of that money is spent in the Indo-Pacific area, a third of that actually in the Pacific— Senator Wong: Mr President, I rise on a point of order on direct relevance. It was one question. Could the minister possibly get close to being relevant to the one question that Senator Moore asked? The PRESIDENT: I note the minister has 42 seconds remaining, and she has been reminded of the terms of the question. Senator FIERRAVANTI-WELLS: Thank you very, very much. This government has stabilised our overseas development assistance budget; we've actually increased it. We are maintaining our overseas development assistance budget at about $4 billion over the next two years. Senator Wong interjecting— Senator FIERRAVANTI-WELLS: It's all very well, Senator Wong, for you to bleat. You issue press releases about increasing aid, but where are you going to get the money from? But, of course, you are raiding the pockets of pensioners and retirees. That's where you're going to get the money from.