Senator FIFIELD (Victoria—Minister for Communications, Minister for the Arts and Deputy Leader of the Government in the Senate) (14:17): This government makes absolutely no apology for doing everything it possibly can to ensure that Australia's borders are secure, that people smugglers do not have a business model which is supported by Australian government policy. The PRESIDENT: Senator McKim on a point of order? Senator McKim: Thanks, President, it is a point of order and it goes directly to relevance. I've been very patient. That's the second time I've asked Senator Fifield whether the AAT was requested or instructed to slow down processing of particular cases. It is clear his first response didn't address that in any way. I've asked it again. He is well into his answer and he is yet to even mention the letters AAT, so I ask you to remind him of the question. The PRESIDENT: Senator McKim, I cannot instruct the minister how to answer the question, as long as the minister is relevant to part of the question or the preamble asked. I believe he is actually answering part of your question. I call Senator Fifield. Senator FIFIELD: Thank you, Mr President. As I was saying, as a government, we want to do everything we possibly can to ensure that people smugglers don't have a business model which is supported by government policy. In terms of the Administrative Appeals Tribunal, I'm just harking back to my memory. The Administrative Appeals Tribunal as it is today is differently constituted to 2013 when we came into government, where there were a number of different elements in different portfolios. I think there was the old Social Security Appeals Tribunal in the social security portfolio and, I think, there was the Migration Review Tribunal— (Time expired) The PRESIDENT: Senator McKim, a final supplementary question?