Senator KITCHING (Victoria) (14:57): Perhaps— Opposition senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Order on my left! Senator KITCHING: Perhaps, Mr President, through you, you could ask the— The PRESIDENT: Order on my left! I can't hear you at the moment, Senator Kitching, due to your colleagues. Senator KITCHING: Perhaps through you, Mr President, Senator Brandis might take some of these questions on notice, given he seems very ill informed. The PRESIDENT: Senator Kitching, as you know, I cannot direct the minister how to answer a question. The minister has been relevant to your question. I will call you for your final supplementary question. Senator KITCHING: Even former Abbott government defence minister David Johnston says, 'I think foreign donations are a serious problem and potentially undermining of our natural interests.' Why then is the Prime Minister continuing to dine with wealthy foreign businessmen in order to procure donations?