Senator FIERRAVANTI-WELLS (New South Wales—Minister for International Development and the Pacific) (14:35): I thank Senator Brockman for his question. The Turnbull government is delivering continued funding growth for state and territory hospitals. Since coming into government we have delivered $13.8 billion, and will deliver up to a record $22.7 billion in 2020. This is a 64 per cent increase— Senator Cash interjecting— Senator FIERRAVANTI-WELLS: I'm coming to that, Senator Cash. This is a 64 per cent increase over that period that will take spending to a record of $103 billion over the next four years. Now, Kristina Keneally, in the case of New South Wales, can't get it right, and, of course, she hasn't got it right on hospitals— Opposition senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Order! Order! Senator Fierravanti-Wells, please resume your seat. Senator FIERRAVANTI-WELLS: and can't work out if the investment in our hospitals in New South Wales has been— The PRESIDENT: Senator Fierravanti-Wells, please resume your seat! It's getting ridiculous when I've got to shout to be heard when Senator Hinch has been on his feet for 20 seconds. Senator Hinch— Senator Hinch: You know the complaint. The PRESIDENT: I know, and I was trying to draw the chamber to order before you rose. Can we please allow our colleagues down the rear of the chamber to hear questions, answers and even the occasional interjection. Senator FIERRAVANTI-WELLS: Under this government, funding for New South Wales hospitals is 43 per cent higher than during the Rudd-Gillard-Rudd years. Let's look at that record. There was the so-called hospital reform—remember? At least Stephen Conroy had a coaster to talk about his NBN. As far as the so-called hospital reform was concerned, there wasn't even a back-of-an-envelope plan. So what did we see during that period? We saw over 10 bureaucracies created and a 27 per cent increase in staff. But the most momentous thing was all of those hospital visits. Remember those? That's all your legacy was— The PRESIDENT: Senator Fierravanti-Wells, you know— Senator FIERRAVANTI-WELLS: That's all your legacy was: Dr Rudd and— The PRESIDENT: Order! Senator Fierravanti-Wells, when I call your name, please cease. You know better than most, from your service here, that props have no place in this chamber. Opposition senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: If someone wishes to raise a point of order, they shouldn't do it through an interjection. Senator Cameron interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Senator Cameron! Senator FIERRAVANTI-WELLS: In those six years of fiscal vandalism, all we saw was Dr Rudd and Nurse Roxon travelling around the countryside having their photographs taken at any hospital that would have them— (Time expired) Senator Watt: Give her some more! Come on! Senator Cameron interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Senator Watt! Senator Cameron! Order on my left. Senator Brockman, a supplementary question.