Senator BIRMINGHAM (South Australia—Minister for Education and Training) (14:12): I had great pleasure in talking to the coalition party room this morning about how it is that Labor's $22 billion that they run around the country talking about is just funny money, how it is that the $22 billion that they claim was money that of course was never in the budget, was never paid for, was never funded and is funding that nobody could ever have possibly banked upon, in contrast to what those opposite claim, as they run around, plucking figures out from the $22 billion and saying, 'This much may have been for this sector; that much may have been for another sector.' The coalition is firmly committed to providing— Senator Cameron: Mr President, a point of order on relevance: the question was, has the minister now come clean with the coalition MPs and senators and provided his department's data showing a $4.6 billion cut to Catholic schools? He has not addressed that. The PRESIDENT: Well, thank you, Senator Cameron. The minister did go to address the fact that he has spoken to his colleagues this morning, and I think we need to give the minister, in his remaining one minute and 19 seconds, a bit more of a chance to flesh out that answer. Senator BIRMINGHAM: I was very directly addressing Senator Collins's question in that I explained to the coalition party room this morning that people can roll out all of these different bits of the $22 billion of pretend money, of funny money, of fake money that the Labor Party runs around saying that they had there somewhere for schools on the never-never horizon. But compare it with the Turnbull government, which has presented a clear model, which is proposing legislation for a clear model, which has put in place the budget savings to ensure we can address and put in the $18.6 billion extra we are proposing. Those opposite keep running around with their fantasy money, Senator Collins, with the fantasy $22 billion— The PRESIDENT: Pause the clock. Senator Cameron, a point of order? Senator Cameron: Mr President, you did indicate that you would give the minister some time to try to deal with this. Well, he now has 36 seconds left and he has not dealt with the question. He should be drawn to the question. The PRESIDENT: The minister has partially addressed the question. I will call the minister again. Senator BIRMINGHAM: Indeed, I think the explanations were very clear about the fact that people plucked out of this $22 billion magical figures to say that this group of schools could have gotten this much or that group of schools could have gotten a different amount. In the end we all know, of course, that the Labor Party never delivers on their promises, that they budget things that they can never afford to pay for and that in this instance once again the Labor Party are making promises that they will never keep in the future. The PRESIDENT: Senator Collins, a supplementary question?