Senator IAN MACDONALD (Queensland) (10:07): I do not want to enter into the substantive debate but just to respond to the musings of Senator McKim— Senator Whish-Wilson: Did you seek leave? Senator IAN MACDONALD: I am seeking the same leave that Senator McKim did, which was none. Honourable senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Order! Order on both sides. There is no need for leave. We are debating a motion. Every senator has a right to speak to the motion. Senator Macdonald, you were speaking to the motion. Senator IAN MACDONALD: Senator McKim is flagging a referral to the Legal and Constitutional Affairs References Committee. I do not think he said it here, but I am told by others—I did not see it—that he was talking about having the committee meet this week and report by the end of this week. I am not sure if that is what his intention is, but could I simply advise the Senate that that committee, of which I am only the deputy chair, is one that has a number of inquiries going. If there is any suggestion that it be this week, I would venture to say—and I can only speak for myself—that I certainly will not be attending. I suspect my other coalition colleague on this committee is also totally engaged in other matters, including matters in this chamber as well as other important committee matters, so it will end up being a Labor-Greens committee, which of course will have even less relevance and less authority than this committee usually has. I am just indicating that to Senator McKim. If that is his intention, then it will be a Labor-Greens thing, which will have no relevance, no standing, no reliability. Opposition senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Order on my left! Order! Senator IAN MACDONALD: What I am saying—and Labor senators may not understand this—is that coalition senators have a lot of things to do. Opposition senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: On my left! Senator IAN MACDONALD: When we speak in this chamber we do not read notes that some staffer might have prepared. I am just indicating that it will be a Labor-Greens committee and have no credibility at all. This committee does not have a lot of credibility, I have to say, but any such reference that requires anything more than a reasonable timescale will be completely incredible. Question agreed to.