Senator IAN MACDONALD (Queensland) (15:21): The previous two Labor speakers have indicated that the answer of Minister Cash was attacking unions. That is not a bad debate to have in this chamber. I can understand why the Labor Party, who are totally supported by the union movement both with cash and in kind, do everything the union movement ask them to jump to their feet to defend them, even in the case of the ACTU, which has been proved in courts to be an absolutely vile, bullying, outrageously aggressive union— Senator Polley: Mr Deputy President, I rise on a point of order. I reluctantly have to, yet again, draw your attention to the fact that the good senator is in no way speaking to the issue before the chair. I ask you to draw to the attention of the senator to the fact that he needs to be relevant—although he is not really relevant in here any more. The DEPUTY PRESIDENT: Some general flexibility is allowed in this debate, however I will listen to Senator Macdonald's comments and I remind all senators that the question is to take note of the answer given by Senator Cash to the question by Senator Moore.