Senator FIFIELD (Victoria—Manager of Government Business in the Senate, Minister for Communications, Minister for the Arts and Minister Assisting the Prime Minister for Digital Government) (14:13): I thank Senator McAllister. When Dr Switkowski, the chair of nbn co, was referring to 'heroic', I think he was referring to the incredible efforts of the staff of nbn co, who are giving their all to this project. Senator Conroy: No! No! No! No! That's not right. The PRESIDENT: Senator Conroy, you were not asked the question. Senator FIFIELD: But I do not deny for a second that this is not an ambitious project. It is a very ambitious project with a very good board and very good management who have oversight. It is an ambitious project but it is a realistic project. What we know for sure is that the multi-technology mix approach being pursued by nbn co will see the NBN rolled out much faster than it would have been by those opposite and at much lower cost to taxpayers, and I think that is great news.