Ms GILLARD (Lalor—Prime Minister) (14:52): To the member's question: first and foremost I would refer him to the answer just given by the Minister for Climate Change and Energy Efficiency, who has explained very clearly and in great detail the circumstances of the meat industry. Mr O'Dowd interjecting— The DEPUTY SPEAKER ( Ms AE Burke ): The member for Flynn will resume his seat; the Prime Minister has just commenced her answer. The Prime Minister has the call. Ms GILLARD: He has just explained the circumstances of the meat industry and some of the opportunities there are for people in the meat industry because of the way we put a price on carbon and because of the way the programs that we have set up to work with this industry are able to work with meat producers. If the member is directly concerned about the circumstances of this meat producer he should be referring to the minister's answer and to those opportunities. To the member who asked the question: I am not surprised to receive this question from him, when he has said in this House in the past that there is no evidence that CO2 in the atmosphere controls the climate—that is, he denies the science; he denies that we need to do anything about carbon pollution. We know that there is a healthy constituency of deniers— Mr Pyne interjecting— The DEPUTY SPEAKER: The Prime Minister will return to the question. The Manager of Opposition Business will resume his seat. The Prime Minister will return to the question. Mr Albanese: Madam Deputy Speaker, on a point of order: if you do not believe in the science then you do not believe in pricing carbon, and that is why it is relevant. The DEPUTY SPEAKER: The Leader of the House will resume his seat. The Prime Minister has the call. She was asked a specific question and I would draw her back to the question before the chair. Ms GILLARD: Certainly there are opportunities for people in the meat industry; I refer the member to them. We are determined to cut carbon pollution. We know that the Leader of the Opposition supports putting a price on carbon and that he would keep this carbon price if he were ever Prime Minister—that is, he shares the belief of every other living Liberal leader. I understand the member who asked the question may have a different view about whether carbon should be priced, but this Leader of the Opposition certainly believes in pricing carbon and he will keep this carbon price if he is ever Prime Minister.