Senator ABETZ (Tasmania—Leader of the Government in the Senate, Minister Assisting the Prime Minister for the Public Service and Minister for Employment) (14:55): I have not seen Mr Murray's comments, but let me say that as a government we are always attuned to the problems that might be out there in front of us, and we have commented on headwinds that have buffeted the Australian economy. In those circumstances it is very wise and proper to ensure that you try to limit the deficit as much as possible, rather than be on the trajectory the Australian Labor Party had us on, which was a trajectory to 667 thousand million dollars of debt. Senator Conroy: What will the debt be tomorrow? Higher? The PRESIDENT: Senator Conroy! Senator ABETZ: The immature interruptions of Senator Conroy just confirm why he is not fit to ever be the defence minister of this country. Opposition senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Order on my left! We have a colleague waiting to ask a question.