Senator RUSTON (South Australia—Deputy Government Whip in the Senate) (14:51): Mr President, I ask a supplementary question. Can the minister advise how this historic shift in services will benefit Australian apprentices and their employers across metropolitan and rural Australia? Senator Cameron: Because of a 20 grand debt. That's what you're going to do—$20,000 in debt. The PRESIDENT: Order! You were not asked the question, Senator Cameron.