Senator ABETZ (Tasmania—Leader of the Government in the Senate, Minister Assisting the Prime Minister for the Public Service and Minister for Employment) (14:15): The simple fact that Senator Conroy had to withdraw part of his prepared question is indicative of the hyperventilation that the honourable senator is engaging in in relation to this issue. The fact that the deputy leader would be the defence minister of this nation, he who trashes the reputation of honourable men and uniform at Senate estimates, who pretends to come into this place has some concern about defence procurement when his own record on the NBN— Senator Conroy: Mr President, a point of order on relevance: I asked a very simple question about Senator Edwards and what he said in his conversations with the Prime Minister. It has nothing to do with Senate estimates and nothing to do with the opposition. It has everything to do with whether the Prime Minister misled Senator Edwards. The PRESIDENT: The minister has 25 seconds left to answer the question. I remind him of the question. Senator ABETZ: Mr President, as I recall it, in fact, the question was based on some article in the Adelaide Advertiser, so let us get this quite clear: the Prime Minister is an honourable man and the Prime Minister would never prejudice the national security of our country for anything. (Time expired)