Senator CASH (Western Australia—Assistant Minister for Immigration and Border Protection and Minister Assisting the Prime Minister for Women) (14:52): Everybody is entitled to their opinion, but let me tell you, Senator Moore, what is right. This government is committed to building a sustainable system for women in this country. Why are we doing that? We are doing that because of the legacy that your former government left. Believe me, the budget we brought down was not the budget that we wanted to bring down, but, unlike those on the other side who continually promised surplus after surplus after surplus after surplus—if I had to actually mention the word 'surplus' the number of times those opposite promised it but failed to deliver it— The PRESIDENT: Pause the clock. Senator Moore: Mr President, I rise on a point of order going to relevance. I would like the minister to get to the word 'NATSEM'. It would be very useful if I could have the minister return to my question. The PRESIDENT: Thank you, Senator Moore. The minister has not even got to halfway through answering her question. I remind the minister of the question. Senator CASH: Thank you, Mr President. I answered the question with my first few words: everybody is entitled to their opinion. That is it. Senator Moore wants me to say, 'They're right; they're right; they're right,' so she could issue a press release, and I am not going to do that. As I said, we did not bring down the budget we brought down because we wanted to. The budget we wanted to bring down, quite frankly, would have been in 2007 when we lost the election, when we handed to those on the other side $20 billion in a surplus. Imagine what we could have done on this side— The PRESIDENT: Pause the clock. Order! Senator Moore: Mr President, my point of order continues to be on relevance. Two thousand, five hundred and sixty-six dollars—that is the NATSEM proposal that women would be worse off. Could we please have a response to that question rather than a value piece about budgets? The PRESIDENT: Thank you, Senator Moore, for your point of order. I remind the minister that she has 40 seconds left to answer the question. Senator CASH: I do not think Senator Moore quite gets it. This government is fiscally responsible. Let me tell you about people who are worse off because of budgets. You pay $1 billion per month in interest when in 2007 the fiscal situation you inherited was zero payments per month in interest. Those on the other side do not seem to quite understand— The PRESIDENT: Pause the clock. Senator Moore: Mr President, my point of order is on relevance to the question that I asked. If the minister could respond to the issue around NATSEM, that was the question. It is not taking note; it is answering a question. The PRESIDENT: Thank you, Senator Moore. The minister has 12 seconds remaining to answer the question. I remind the minister of the question. Senator CASH: The mere fact that Senator Moore does not like the answer I am giving does not make the answer wrong.