The PRESIDENT (16:59): Senator Carr— Senator RUSTON: —or $1.3 billion a year, next year. That is not a cut in health spending. In 2015-16, we see a further increase and it continues on over the forward estimates of this government's forward estimates budget. I say to Senator Bilyk, who was carrying on about how people on welfare could afford all these things, that the best form of assistance that we can give to those people that are unemployed is to give them a job. The idea that big government and spending will get us out of this mess has proved over the last six years to be a complete and utter disaster. Big governments and governments spending their way out of an economic disaster zone are no way to correct the economy. The best way that we can help Australians to be better able to afford to pay this small, modest co-payment— Senator Kim Carr: Modest! On your wage, I suppose it is modest. On a senator's wage, I suppose it is modest. Senator RUSTON: That is how, Senator Carr—through you, Mr President—it was described by one of your shadow ministers, Mr Andrew Leigh. The best way that we can make co-payments affordable for Australians is not to continue to put the burden on government but to get the economy moving again. If we can put more money in the pockets of these people, they can make their own choices. I do not believe that I am best placed to make decisions on behalf of Australians. I think that Australians are best placed to make decisions on behalf of themselves. It is the height of hypocrisy to be standing here and saying that this 'small, modest co-payment'—to quote Mr Leigh—is some terrible thing. It is absolutely hypocritical! (Time expired)